Sunday, August 19, 2007

On open proxies

Cross-posted from wikiEN-l:

Now, I don't know exactly where to begin, it's been awhile since I've really opined on this issue in public. Yes, sockpuppets are a concern. Yes, vandalism is a concern. As a Wikipedian who is no stranger to dealing with either, I take these problems very seriously. But -- and I'm sure you knew there was a "but" -- I'm just as torn when I see willing, helpful people prevented from contributing, sometimes people who have a lot to offer us, or even people who are already widely recognized on the wiki for their work, all on account of potential abuse from others.

There's been a lot Jimbo-quoting, lately. That's all well and good, but let's not forget that there are plenty of apt, eloquent comments on the matter. As Gmaxwell said, just recently:
We're not an anonymity service, but until the day we make giving your real name + DNA sample a requirement for editing we should try to be as friendly towards outside anonymity services as we can reasonably be.

If anything the ability to handle the good users coming through a set of anonymous proxies will allow us to be more aggressive at blocking sources of problems.
Hell, as part of the growing consensus among the community, the "policy" tag on [[WP:NOP]] has been "disputed" since mid-July, and even recently *removed* without any significant argument. I'm clearly not the only person who isn't quite satisfied with our current means and ways of dealing with proxies.

There has to be more we can do. On IRC, it's as simple as getting +e set on your nick, to overrride the general quiet on Tor users. Maybe we can to implement a new class of ipblock-exempt. Maybe we can to implement a new class of blocking for proxies, which certain users could circumvent. Such permissions could be granted by invitation, by discussion, by some community process to deal with requests. I'm no tech whiz, but I certainly hope we're open for suggestions, here. Our problem is with the abusive use of proxies, not with the helpful people behind them. There probably is no perfect solution.

But we should try.

(link to list post)

3 comments:

Luk said...

<3

I agree with you, we need to find a (technical, probably) way to let contributors edit through TOR. At the moment, we let the vandals win :(

The many Chinese unblock requests we are dealing with at the moment might shake us (even if I'm starting these are one only user WP:POINTing us in the right (?) direction)

-- lucasbfr

JOE said...

Hello fuckhead...

You should ask the dumb question, which dork and idiots, like you can't grasp, is Why am I doing this???

Well, I have a grunge and this grudge is the result of abuse I have received as well as my friends at the hands of little faceless, power hungry punks and dorks, like you.

Now blocking ips wont work, cuz you know there are millions of them.

Now, I spit on you and your kind, because you have cowards to control the the animals and worms you have on wikipeidan slander and libel farm, run like a Orwellean online simulation. Well, the real will not tolerate this for very much longer. Wikipedia and the pissant dicks that run will be crushed by reality very soon.

YOU DUMB TARDS SHOULD ASK THE DUMB QUESTION??? WHY I AM DOING THIS??? BUT YOUR TOO DURNK ON JIMBO JESUS JUICE TO KNOW WHY.

For the quote spouting wikidrone, hopped up on jimbojuice, here is one more pearl of wisdom, for Napoleon,(see G Orwell for explanation of this) the singing pig.


If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

You are Number 1# with me....
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Jon said...

bitch! you can't block me out forever i'll find a way back in and fuck things up just like i did before.
you are such a fuckin joke I can't believe you! your fuckin blog and wikipedia talk page are the biggest fuckin waste of memory that i have ever come across in my entire life. GET A LIFE!